Difference between a Republic and a Democracy

A couple weeks ago I was asked to write about the differences between a Democracy and a Republic. There is a queue of topics to write about, and I'm getting to them as I can (OK, so there is only one more requested topic left and it will be back to the articles that have caught my highly-trained eye).

In the united States, we have largely operated as a two-party political system. Many people, including myself, are beginning to see the two major parties as extensions of the same party. In fact, they used to be the same party between 1792 and 1824. That the two parties which emerged from that became known as the "Democrats" and the "Republicans" should tell us something of the ideas behind them. Yet a lot of dictionaries say that a democracy is a republic and a republic is a democracy:

Today, the terms republic and democracy are virtually interchangeable, but historically the two differed.

[republic. (n.d.). The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition. Retrieved August 22, 2009, from Dictionary.com website: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/republic]

Words do shift meaning, but this is pretty dangerous. If you have ten minutes, here is a video that originally appeared on wimp.com that does a good job of explaining the distinct forms of government:

A quote that I have used before from the Army Training Manual (No. 2000-25, 1928-1932, since withdrawn) is unapologetic in its claim that the united States is supposed to be a Republic:

The didactic method concerning facts of history, social changes, economic development, and basic principles of our Government will be used without discussion and without argument, special emphasis being given to the fact that the United States is a Republic, not a democracy.

Why is there such an emphasis on it? Here is how they defined a Democracy:

  A government of the masses.
  Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of "direct" expression.
  Results, in mobocracy.
  Attitude toward property is communistic -- negating property rights.
  Attittude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences.
  Results in demagogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy.

That is harsh, isn't it? Basically whoever can convince people the best is the one that has the power in a democracy. I think the analysis is accurate. If you didn't watch the video, here is a run-down from the same manual explaining what a Republic is:

  Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials best fitted to represent them.
  Attitude toward property is respect for laws and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure.
  Attitude toward law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and established evidence, with a strict regard for consequences.
  A greater number of citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass.
  Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy.
  Results in statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.
[&c. -- go read it for yourself]

What type of government are we trying to attain? You've just read a decent explanation of what happens under a Democracy. But are those in the Republican party much better? In 2003, our last Republican president said that he wanted to democratize the world (the original page has expired on Reuters):

Megan Goldin writes in Reuters: "It's been a long and lonely road for former Soviet dissident Natan (Anatoly) Sharansky who has for years been ridiculed for his political theories of spreading democracy across the globe to obtain world peace.

"But the former Soviet 'refusenik', who is now a cabinet minister in the Israeli government, no longer walks alone. His companion in his campaign to democratise the world is no less than U.S. President George W. Bush. . . .

Sharansky told Reuters about his visit with Bush in the Oval Office.

"I told him: 'You are the real dissident. Politicians look at polls -- what is popular, what is not popular. A dissident believes in an idea and goes ahead with it . . . even when there are so many people who disagree,' " Sharansky said.

That is a bold statement, isn't it? You can read more on independent.org. Even more shocking for you, perhaps, is a video that has been making its rounds where McCain said he was fine with remaining in the middle east for the next one hundred years (text version available).

So I ask you, what are we really trying to be? Even the Republicans have forgotten what a Republic is.

Why don't you take the World's Smallest Political Quiz and find out where you currently stand on the political spectrum? The first time I took the quiz, I placed dead center in the Libertarian quadrant then had to go look up what a "libertarian" was.

Those on the "left" (used to be called the "right") want to control your pocketbook. The ones on the "right" want to control your actions. In their extremes, both end up having the same effect. We need to get our sights back on the consequences of having freedom or not having it.

Carol's picture

Thanks...

..for sharing the difference. That vid was great.

Chris's picture

You're Welcome.

I've sent the video to several others. It is a good one.

Marlana's picture

Republic

I had no idea you wrote this post. You sound a bit like Ron Paul here. GRIN

I agree with you about Republic. BTW, have you read Tocqueville's Democracy of America?

The conclusion of a democracy is much of Machiavelli's ideology: do what you can to do in order to persuade the masses. Nietzsche argues that culture matters most, so we must war for what betters us, even if it means living something we know not to be true. Drawn to its conclusion, we need a dictator.

If James Madison feared the masses in the 18th century, how much more should we fear them today. 1.) We are most stupid. 2) We think our leaders are moral relativist and will keep our personal freedom. In actuality they are like Nietzsche. They will kill one moral for their superior culture. Hey, at least Nietzsche was honest.

On the lighter scale, that quiz ROCKED. SHAME FOR NOT E-MAILING THAT TO ME BEFORE. I scored 100% libertarian on the economic issues - LOL. On the personal issues I am afraid that if given a chance, a government will snap my freedom for morals away. Republic it stands

Didn't know the dictionary definition was officially changed. TWITS

Chris's picture

Yep, this topic is one that

Yep, this topic is one that needs to be aired. No, I have not yet read Tocqueville's book, but it is on my tentative list to get if I can ever find it used. I've been hearing quotes from it for a few years now. You've read it? Of course you have. You've read a lot more philosophy than I have.

On the other hand, I have read part of Machiavelli's The Prince. That is an interesting book and I do need to finish it. Our leaders are honest too -- at least a large part of the time.

The really sad part is that people want a dictator. It is easy not to think. Egypt wanted the Pharoah to sell them grain that he had stored away (there is no way they didn't know what was coming). The children of Israel wanted Moses to be between them and God. Their descendants wanted a king. The chain continues.

Lol, I've known about that quiz for the last four years. I could not have sent it to you when I found it. Congratulations on your score. ^_^

Oh, and how could you not know that the dictionary definitions had been changed? I told you several months ago that the big dictionary at the library had the words cross-defined.

Marlana's picture

actually I have never

actually I have never finished it. It's rather long.

I'm not surprised; just never looked it up. GRIN

netwiz's picture

actually I was a little taken aback

I was a little taken aback that Chris scored solidly Libertarian based on the full quiz. I've taken a step back and tried to understand where that perspective of the moral issues is expressed elsewhere in his blog...at this point I haven't comfortably correlated that.

The main flaw, from my perspective, with the quiz is its subtle skew to draw attention to Libertarianism. The wording of the questions steers people on the fringe of each issue to the Libertarian answer. It also leads to the conclusion that one is Libertarian on some things but not others (because of the focus of the issues). More accurately, at least for me, is that there is overlap in the positions between adjacent political ideologies -- they aren't all uniquely libertarian positions.

Another thought about this quiz, which several alleged libertarian co-workers pointed me to a year or so ago, is that those libertarians are very happy with their position but have seemed less politically active than similarly proud Republicans. So it's interesting to try and figure out if someone holds to an ideology that doesn't lead to active involvement if it’s really an ideology or more of an anti-ideology. This is an extremely unscientific assessment, and probably suffers from the fact I have many more Republicans in my social network than Libertarians, but the theory is so intriguing I wanted to voice it.

Chris's picture

^_^

Where that fits in has been a central theme in several in-person conversations lately but I have not yet blogged about it in too much depth.

The problem that I see facing us is that we are no longer a Christian nation. It is possible that I am calling this early, but I don't think so. The purpose of government is to hold people to a central theme, particularly to prevent their daily actions from harming each other unnecessarily. Without another base than their own from which to create these laws, government becomes a bigger harm to the people under it than the individuals are to each other.

In short, without Biblical morals, I would rather see the government restricted both in its funds and power. It is very possible to argue in person with other individuals about why they should change their ways. Laws will not force them to change anyway. Our country has seen that played out with the prohibition and now with the "war on drugs" (although I do not condone using either). Politically, this pushes me into the libertarian spectrum; socially, it leaves me a conservative.

I do admit that my argument is an easy out. It solves the problem of having to argue with politicians over why funding abortions is wrong. It would also puts pressure on public schools to use their money more wisely (I worked for a school district for a couple years and have some great stories) and paves the way to stop problematic practices like this health care bill, airline restrictions, cash for clunkers (quit regulating, someone will make an affordable car), and almost every other issue that is a big problem. If we killed our social welfare programs, illegal immigration would not be as large of an issue anymore. Anybody that is here would be here to work.

You are definitely right that the quiz was created by libertarians and is designed to draw attention to their ideas. A large part of that is to get people out of the left-right mentality. Realistically, the libertarians are closer to the moral conservatives in times gone by. The Republicans used to support smaller government. There are some wackos in the Libertarian party that I refuse to vote for, and the last presidential election I voted Constitutional party. My ideals simply line up more with theirs when it comes to politics for the current times.

Some of the libertarians can get pretty vocal, but they are also looked at like cracked pots. I've been working to get completely free of the social security programs, and have intentionally not taken the stimulus tax check from the government. I plan to make a longer post about the latter when I get a chance. These things do make waves and I don't have to speak loudly.

Finally, I am active with the Republican party here locally. There are other people in it who see the problems of how large our government is as well, and several of them have admitted that we botched the last election because we did not stick to where our politics should have been. It's a fun world. Nose Smile

netwiz's picture

political discussions...how fun

Well, it's probably too late and with too many other things I should conserve precious time for me to spend much time on this, but let me toss out what I was trying to figure out. Here's the moral questions from the quiz that I'm focused on (I shortened them to avoid any infringement; this also shows the slant better):

1. No Government censorship of media
2. No military draft.
3. No laws regarding sex for consenting adults.
4. No laws against adult possession and use of drugs.
5. No National ID card.

Initially I was inclined to say "agree" to #1...then I remembered that government censorship is what allows me to even watch a little prime time TV with my kids (think language and sex limits the networks have to abide under). You could say "you wouldn't miss them" but I have a conviction to be in the world/society (and have my kids in the world) God placed me in and it's really hard to do that if you're completely isolated...and the government is one that I am supposed to participate and influence, so that pushed me over to disagree. So I opposed #1.

#2 was one I decided a number of years ago...while I'm glad for government to spend quite a bit of money to keep it voluntary (what they give people to volunteer to serve now is amazing), I think the basic facet of government to provide a strong defense demands a draft. People aren't going to want to do it in every case where it's going to be needed; so a draft must be an option if you want to preserve the country. Otherwise you are fine with anarchy and no country (my biggest issues with Libertarianism; but that's a whole other ball game...the above questions seem to be one big "no laws for me"...don't like where you have to go with that).

#3 again is one that sounds good -- get out of that area. Then I remembered laws that keep adults from having sex in public places. So see #1.

#4 is probably the easiest one for me to agree with. There are still dry counties in Arkansas (the evil "drug" of alcohol), and I find that kind of silly. I think there are times that it is easier for government to prohibit an activity that leads to crime, but I agree in this case that the experiment has appeared to show that this isn't one of them (just like prohibition wasn't). If we were going for don't do anything harmful to yourself...well then the government making money off tobacco and gambling vs. banning it...anyway, #4 is a fairly easy one to agree to.

#5 is kind of silly to me. That's where I see Libertarianism as reactionary and makes it less credible to me. The government could already determine way more than you expect based on what information it already has on you (except that it's a very poor data repository). The public sector also can determine an amazing amount of things by deriving stuff from interaction with companies (with absolutely mind blowing accuracy -- people are much less unique then they like to think they are, and even things that you do in "secret" tend to be implied by the things you do in "public"). We're in an electronic age and just like those people that don't do facebook "because the government could use it as a face recognition database"...that ship has sailed. A national ID card would just make life a lot more predictable. There'd be its own hassles, but it would solve much more than it causes in terms of security concerns. However, and don't get whiplash here, I still would disagree with this one just because I myself am a bit in favor of government being functional in terms of tracking me. So while I think it would be silly to spend time to oppose it, and I'd actually be happy to have the government spend my money (interesting story about me personally on that one; I'm a Bush welfare recipient) to implement the system, and I might even work at a company that will be involved in precursors to that...it's just a reactionary thing that we won't even think about in ~10 years: it'll be here.

So, my main interest in your response has to do with #1-#3; I was very curious how you handled the ramifications I'm talking about above.

Luke.

Chris's picture

Fair Questions

I rethreaded this as we were getting pretty narrow...

Those are good questions and they are things that I've had to deal with. With some of them I do not see harm in the government legislating some things (and, indeed, it can be beneficial) but the problem becomes the underlying ideas that cause the legislation to be created in the first place.

#1 - For instance, did you know that Lincoln censored newspapers that were critical of him during the War Between the States? Or what do you do with the Fairness Doctrine? When a conservative says that abstinence is the best, does he then have to give equal validity to condoms, IUDs or other methods?

On the flip side, there are snake oil salesmen. Yes, this issue is not cut and dried. I did explain where the wording of most Republicans is not technically accurate in my healthcare post. In practice, I think they are still right about that issue.

The question with any censorship is, who decides? China has convinced Google to censor images about the Tiananmen Square incident. If you do a search in that country, you see very different pictures.

In California (and probably other places, but I know this one for a fact), some teachers have told 12 year old girls that if they "haven't had a period yet that now is the time to have sex -- they can't get pregnant." Not only is this biologically inaccurate, but it goes behind the backs of parents. Yet this teaching is officially sanctioned by our federal and state governments and those girls were separated from the boys in class for two weeks so that they could learn about sexual positions and how to put condoms on bananas (and I'm understating things). Can we really expect these same legislators to have a problem with a few sexual items on the evening television? They are more likely to censor something that disagrees with the popular notion of global warming.

I do agree with you about us being a part of this culture, though we should not be controlled by it. Sealing ourselves off entirely is a quick way to make us irrelevant.

#2 - Our constitution does not allow for a permanent standing national army. Read it, especially Article 1 Section 8. The states, however, may. Somehow we get around that restriction by voting on a new budget for the military every year. I really do not think that is what was meant.

The "National Guard" is supposed to be the militia that stays here and guards our own lands, no matter what. Why are they being used in the middle east right now? There is now no official group to join if one wants to remain around home to protect friends and family. Anyone who tries to do that is part of an "extremist paramilitary group."

Some Anarchists use Libertarianism as a vehicle. A lot of anarchists will tell you that they do not really expect a collapse of government but I disagree with them still. Some government is necessary.

#3 - I'd rather have local people decide this one. Then again, I'm also against the idea of government licensing marriage. If they define what a marriage is, they can redefine it. If the meaning comes from God...

#4 - Prohibiting an action that can lead to sin was one of the things that caused our fall in the first place. God told Adam not to eat the fruit of the tree and Adam told Eve not to even touch it. Alcohol, by itself, is not the problem and we even harness it to make leavened bread. Again, I still don't like alcohol, but at least some of the statistics about it are made out to be worse than they really are.

#5 - I had to laugh. A study from several years ago showed that most people were willing to write their social security number on a mall-contest form for a chance to win chocolate. There is an even bigger problem: Social Security numbers can be guessed. There was an article a few days ago that Tax auditors are trolling Facebook.

Yes, the information is out there. Even more than that, the results of my last background check came back in less than three hours. The government knows who I am, probably even more than most other people (that can be explained more in private, but it has nothing to do with a criminal record).

So if the government already knows who I am, that can't be the reason I oppose a national ID card. I oppose it because, as you said, the government is a very poor data repository. Things are never as secure as they think. Have you been following the RFID passport chip hacks? ^_^

I would be interested in hearing your story sometime. In the mean time, there is a book by Richard Maybury called The Clipper Ship Strategy which tries to explain to teenagers how to capitalize on where the government is spending money without ever being in favor of that money being spent.

Our government was crippled in its creation and it should continue to be crippled today. Anything else is a different form of government than we were given.

There are a few other things that I think are relevant and true but that I haven't been able to find the original sources for. Ah, well. This list is already pretty long.

garrettw's picture

Political quiz result

Cool, I got the exact same result on that quiz as you did. Dead center Libt. :)